Rudy Giuliani, Republican Presidential candidate, and all 'round scary man is almost as difficult for me to watch and listen to as Bubba (aka current Presidential scary man) is. At a townhall meeting last night in Iowa, in response to a question, Guiliani shared his views on waterboarding, and whether or not it constitutes torture.
"Mr. Giuliani said: “Well, I’m not sure it is either. I’m not sure it is either. It depends on how it’s done. It depends on the circumstances. It depends on who does it.And here is the rest of it."
Depends on who does it?! No matter who is doing it, since when did
"...immobilizing an individual and pouring water over his or her face to simulate drowning. It elicits the gag reflex, and can make the subject believe his or her death is imminent while not causing physical evidence of torture..."
NOT constitute torture? And what kind of convulated thinking makes it torture sometimes and not at others? It's torture when America isn't doing it, but No! It's not torture as long as it's America the Great doing it, is that how it works?
And this gem:
“And I see, when the Democrats are talking about torture, they’re not just talking about even this definition of waterboarding, which again, if you look at the liberal media and you look at the way they describe it, you could say it was torture and you shouldn’t do it. But they talk about sleep deprivation. I mean, on that theory, I’m getting tortured running for president of the United States. That’s plain silly. That’s silly."
Ok Rudy, there is a bit of a difference between losing a few hours sleep traveling around in the lap of luxury in pursuit of power, and being forced to lose days and days of sleep, rest, and nutrition, simply because someone has decided that you are less than human, and unworthy of respect.
Anyone who doesn't believe that this man will make George W look like child's play had better wake up and get a clue.
There is another sneaky little piece to Guiliani's diatribe that caught my attention, and should catch yours. In his response regarding waterboarding, he used the phrase "liberal media" four separate times. It's the classic "repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth" ploy. Repeated and replayed by the neocon movement for years. That one is a personal peeve of mine. As obvious as it is to me now, when I see it, I know that others still fall for it. My own mother still thinks that the media is run by a bunch of liberal hacks. And she is far from dumb. These neocon propaganda tactics still work on many, and they always will. I can only hope that enough people become immune to it to halt this out-of-control monster before it is too late.